The very corona minister Hugo de Jonge, still a Rotterdam alderman in 2017, was the one who set writer Ernest van der Kwast on a new track in his life. A path that led to his new novel Ilyas. In his talk show Rotterdam Late Night, Van der Kwast talked to De Jonge about his programme to help 7,000 young people in Rotterdam get out of trouble, and asked critical questions about the mentors who were to supervise this. Annoyed, De Jonge said: 'Why don't you actually do it yourself?
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