We're talking about the non-attending theatre. Because it was all about it last week at Theatre Festival Boulevard and then on social media following this message. One who felt very strongly about this was theatre and screenwriter Jan Veldman (including Theatre Group Jan Vos). 'I think considering theatre elitist is an elitist idea, and at least a cliché. And why should it be bad that and artist puts himself in an elitist corner? You should make what you think is right, and not what you think the audience thinks is right.'
And where is all this data on how elite theatre might be then? On the CBS site: Statline.
Of course, it could all just be down to marketing, but those marketers are in turn driven by creators. Also something that - according to jan Veldman - is much stronger in the Netherlands than, say, in Germany.
Marijn Lems: 'There are more and more young creators who are finding their way to audiences. But writing about it is still quite difficult,'
Veldman: 'Sometimes the creator takes the pepper out of the marketing text, and that's a bit silly of course.'
Marijn Lems: 'There is also too little back-and-forth between creators and programmers on how best to present a show to audiences.'
And then there is comedian Rogier Kahlman, who complained on facebook about too little income from his comedy show, which led to some discussion. Turns out he is friends with Marijn Lems and a former student of Jan Veldman. So we talk about it. About how the image on facebook can differ from reality.
As a result - thanks to this podcast - he will become another very big one.